TALK 94.5 Liz And Nick
TALK 94.5 Liz And Nick
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I just like to interview this person about AI. You know, and here he is Winton Hall. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller. It's called Code Red. The left China and The Race to Control AI. Good morning, Winton.
SPEAKER_02It's good to be with you. Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_01Thank you for joining us. So I would like to start off by saying, you know, a lot of people feel like over the last couple of years this was kind of like shoved down our throats. It kind of came on big to the scene about this AI battle between the tech titans. But really, AI has been around a little bit, right?
SPEAKER_02No, that's exactly right. We've had this term since 1956 in a public space in a way. What has changed, of course, is with generative AI, AI that can generate images and words and video, you've seen this acceleration and really in the reasoning models it's taken off. And so 99% of us use AI, even though 64% of us don't realize when we're using AI. And it's because it's baked into the algorithms that empower everything, from our streaming services to our weather apps and so forth. So we really don't get to opt out of the AI revolution. But what I wanted to do was show that it's not just a tool. People often say, oh, AI is just a tool. It is a tool, but it's not just a tool, it's political power. And that's why we're seeing uh so much that's about to change, and that everybody's got, particularly right of center people, have to get coached up very quickly about what uh the left and Silicon Valley and globalist elites and others really are planning to do to harness this power is as it relates to everything from whether we indoctrinate or educate our children, whether or not we erase or create jobs. And as we're seeing right now, is with the whole battle right now in Iran, it's increasingly AI warfare is determining who comes home and who doesn't off the battlefield. So I wanted to do a deep dive, and I spent two years doing that for Code Red.
SPEAKER_01You know, I I you know I have to say this. Um there's a lot of AI out there that people are being duped by, and I I don't know the danger in it. So there is a big story that broke was about this woman named Emily Hart, H-A-R-T. She is a MAGA AI influencer, and she has tricked millions of MAGA Republicans into following her account. Now it's really a guy. So it's fantastic. Okay. But um but Emily Hart is a totally fake MAGA gun toning bikini model right, drinking beer, gun ice fisting, and you know, saying Christ is king, abortion is murder, all illegal to be deported. So what is the danger of that? Um that feeling of a person that's following this and finds out it's fake, do they care? Do they not care? What damage does it cause in that political aspect that you're talking about?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, in the political aspect, deepfake technology um has actually in in international um elections had an influence. Because if you pull a deep fake and you say, oh, uh Canada X has been busted in a huge scandal, here it is, caught on a surveillance video and so forth, 24 hours before the fact checkers can debunk that information and you're in a tight race, you can swing an entire election. I mean, let's remember that in 2016, Donald Trump won by only 80,000 votes beat Hillary Clinton. If you would have swung 80,000 votes in key districts, you would have you would have had President Hillary Clinton. So so DFEGs have a real political implication as it relates to elections. The other area, of course, is fraudsters. I mean, we're having a massive problem right now with um uh voice cloning technology and AI that makes calling up a parent and and it sounds exactly like your child's voice because it's been voice cloned off your child's voice. Mom, dad, they've got a gun to my head. If you don't wire$10,000, they're gonna kill me. This is becoming a real problem, and you talk to law enforcement about that. And then the real horrifying part, of course, is what's happening with AI as it relates to child pornography and the explosion of deep fake child pornography that we're seeing. So criminals have weaponized this uh and and and are off to the races with it. And uh, we've just got to really be aware this is a very different world than the world that many of us grew up in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, uh every piece of technology I feel is always bastardized in in the porn industry in general, and then you add on the child porn, which is so disgusting. Uh but then they then they're like, you know, well, no kids were actually harmed or I mean they'll just come up with anything. But I have to ask you a question because you were mentioning scams. Um I was uh I don't know if this is true, maybe you know. We're speaking with winter calls. First of all, they say that every family should have a safe word that nobody knows. So that if you get a call like that, just ask them what the safe word is, and if they don't know the safe word, then you know it's a scam and your kid really isn't adapt or just the second thing was uh telling the video like there are video fakes that'll that'll like talk to you apparently through FaceTime. And telling that video to put three fingers, that person on the video to put three fingers in front of their face. And if it doesn't do that, then it's a fake.
SPEAKER_02So the first one is true uh because if you're talking to voice clone technology, um it's not going to know the family, you know, if it's your family's dog name or some inside jokes that the family has. That is true. The problem with the second uh scenario is that face swap technology allows you to have a person who is physically there, um, but they have a completely different face. And so they're able to actually, almost like a ventriloquist dummy, they can move their body to mirror whatever it is you're asking them to do. Uh in the in your example, hold up three fingers or so forth. So that one is as less of a uh of a surefire way to uh to debunk it. But these this is becoming an issue even in hiring. Um, we're seeing now that uh foreign assets and foreign um bad actors are applying for jobs virtually with exactly the kind of scenario you just mentioned, and then are getting inside of um uh corporate systems either for uh financial you know malfeasance andor um you know corporate espionage. So this is becoming an issue on all those fronts. But I think the thing that affects most people on a daily basis is really the the the things they're hearing right now in this massive debate. I mean, we saw it just days ago. Elon Musk saying universal high income or basic income is is on the way because of the jobs bloodbath that's blooming with AI. You've heard Dario Amade Anthropic said that in 12 months. We're not talking about in 15 years, we're talking about in 12 months, he's saying 50% wipeout of white-collar job replacement. And Mustafa Sulamon at Microsoft AI, their CEO, says it's 12 to 18 months away until you can replace all white-collar job tasks. So people are not realizing how fast this is moving. I mean, uh you know, Elon calls it a supersonic tsunami heading toward humanity. And uh that's why in Code Red I I go through the whole issue as it relates to employment.
SPEAKER_01So another thing that I was thinking is, you know, we've talked about this before on the show regarding social media, but the other part is when you are um uh when you are uh using AI, you are giving it uh uh information that it will you be able to use uh either against you or for you or you know so we are actually getting all this free use. Is it gonna come to a a time where this our giving of ourselves and giving it information on how to you know be more like us is gonna backfire on us?
SPEAKER_02Well, even in a even in a legal sense, right now, I mean people um you saw Sam Altman in OpenAI talk about that people don't realize that when they're asking questions about a legal trial or their own criminal situation or any other thing, all that can be ascertained and used in a court of law. So I mean, you know, you have to Oh my gosh. Seriously? Yeah, you don't have you don't have like lawyer confidentiality with with your with your AI chatbot LLM. And so and so you're your people are talking to it like it's an advisor or like they're in some kind of council in a private setting, and they don't realize that they're they're they're giving out information that can be used against them in that way for legal exposure. The other thing, though, on your particular instance, I mean, one of the things that is so important is when you think about even just you know proprietary data. I mean, if you work for a company and you're feeding things in because you want to edit a memo memo or a strategy document or anything like that, you your your boss, depending upon your company's you know rules, you you know, you may lose your job. I know that there are employment clauses that say if you're giving any kind of information now that the employee may be doing that very innocently, thinking she's or he's trying to fix their grammar or tighten up their writing style. But um there are all of these new these new issues uh related to the new world.
SPEAKER_01So in this book, Code Red, um and and this is um Winton Hall that we're talking with, the New York Times bestseller. Code red, the left, the right, China, and the race to control AI. Are you recommending things that people and business owners should do to protect themselves? Like I didn't even think of that actually. Either of those things, like criminal questions, criminality questions. You could be incriminating yourself and they could be used against you. Or, you know, an employee innocently putting the your entire business secrets, you know, trade secrets at risk.
SPEAKER_02That's exactly right. Yes, so I call it roses and landmines, roses being the positive things that can come from AI and that your opportunities and the landmines are obvious, uh, the danger zones there. And so each chapter in Code Red uh talks about things you can do. I I didn't want to kick up this big dust cloud of doom and then just say you're on your own. I want to really give you solutions and opportunities, but also be very realistic about the threat vectors. We're entering a very, very different world and it's happening at warp speed. And we know that preparedness in technology and early adoption in technology is what will help you to navigate your not just yourself, but your children and your grandchildren particularly. Because a lot of us, especially if we're sort of leaning toward the finish line of our career, we say, well, this is gonna obviously remake the world, but it's not gonna affect me. But we know for our kids and grandkids it's gonna be so important. I mean, what do you even tell your child if they're in middle school or high school or even in college, starting out college? What would they major in that's future-proof for a guy? I go through all of that in code red. But you're exactly right, Liz. I mean, when you think about those vulnerabilities, it's often from a place of innocence. It's not it's not malicious. It's people just thinking, oh, here's a great new tool. It is a tool, but it's a lot more than just a tool, and that's what I tried to do in Code Red was give everybody that information.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so um, like give us a little nugget that we'll find in the book and why we should get this book, because it is designed more as kind of like a guide, right?
SPEAKER_02So it's it's a book about politics and how policy affects every part of our lives, from education to human relationships, AI girlfriends. There's millions of paid subscribers right now of AI girlfriend. People go, I can't even, what are we even talking about? AI girlfriend. How do you have an AI girlfriend? This is this is accelerating very quickly. Um National Security, China, and I even go into God, faith, reason, and what I call the coming crisis of meaning in AI and really get practical. Let's get let's do that right now. So if you have a child, right, what are the things you can do? Because everybody's worried about how how am I gonna go, you know, my kids are gonna take out a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollar college debt, loan, all this. They're gonna graduate with a degree that's completely meaningless because AI is gonna be able to replace so much and automate so much of the work. Um, first thing I would say is this the future of jobs is not teaching children how to apply for a job, it's how to create their own job. And by that I mean entrepreneurship. If a child has strong critical thinking skills, which is super important to protect, because AI, when you use it as a mental crutch, erodes through what they call cognitive offloading, uh mental uh critical thinking skills. Protecting that base layer, that's the bottom of your pyramid. The second layer is entrepreneurship skills. How do you create a business? How do you build a website? How do you open an LLC? How do you make a payroll? Knowing those skills because that way she or he knows how to have a template to navigate whatever the future job market is. And then the third part of the pyramid on the top is the AI layer, teaching them those tools so that they know how to stay ahead and stay up to date as we navigate through this world. A lot of conservatives, you know, I've come from the conservative movement of free market capitalist mindset. A lot of people say, hey, look, the Industrial Revolution killed a lot of jobs, but it creates all kinds of new jobs. The reason why the AI billionaire architects say this time is different, is that if those are cognitive white-collar jobs, jobs that are done behind a computer, thought work, those two, those new jobs that are created will be able to be replaced by something called agentec AI, AI agent. So really getting your child and grandchild ready, and that's why the whole education chapter in CodeRed is is focused on doing just that.
SPEAKER_01I am a proponent of removing AI from schools and tablets from schools and internet access from schools because we have just seen like it's not helping. I was just wondering after doing uh all this research and becoming an expert on where we are with AI, Wenton. Do you have an opinion on that? I don't know if you have children or have experience of kids growing with going to school with tablets and teachers using AI and kids using AI and whether knowingly or not. Do you have an opinion on that?
SPEAKER_02No, the big Yes, very much. Um the biggest thing with that is the plagiarism epidemic. Teachers and professors, when you when you talk to educators right now that are trying to educate children in an AI world, they don't call it chat GPT, they call it cheat GPT because of the plagiarism epidemic that we're having. It is massive. And you're exactly right. You know, when you when when you can't even assign the the classic, you know, research paper that for decades has served to build critical thinking skills with certainty that you're not going to have mass plagiarism because of the sophistication of an LLM, a large language model, um, you have a real problem. You're you're talking about in some, you know, depending upon what level of education, 60 to 70 percent plagiarism rate. It is a massive, massive problem. So you're exactly right on that. Number two, people say, oh, well, aren't there detectors for that? The problem with them is they're very wonky. Many school districts are not allowed to even use them because they've had legal problems when they give a false positive and then they uh, you know, accuse a student of having cheated and then they end up with a five million dollar lawsuit. Um, the the third thing, though, is that I would say this that they're going to use AI. Okay. Um you know, it's just it's like saying don't use the internet. Um, you know, I mean, you you're of course you're going to use it, it's part of technology. It's a general purpose technology akin to electricity, right? So the question becomes really having guardrail safety around it for the parent. Number one, um, there is there are good AI educational tools that are pedagogically sound. They use the Socratic method, they do not just spit out the answer. So it like a good tutor or teacher or parent, they'll it will ask them questions to help them get toward the answer, but it will not actually just cough up the answer. Um, the the second thing I would say is the guardrail safety, meaning that you know what AI your child is using or if they are at all. And then I think the third thing would, of course, be really making sure they're not going into the dark world of AI companions and AI girlfriends. A lot of times these will uh be by these these uh companies will present them as hey, learn how to have fun conversations with characters from history or from you know, and so you can learn about the past. Have a conversation with Abraham Lincoln. That's kind of cool, actually, but yeah, scary. And there are some that are good, but that's my point. You've got to know which ones they're using because others are very nefarious and take you into wildly inex uh you know explicit and uh inappropriate content for minors. We're seeing suicide coaching by AI to children. Okay, children who have mental health challenges. I I talk about in code red one young man had an AI girlfriend, he thought he had mental health challenges, he thought she was saying join him in the digital afterlife, went in the bathroom with a gun and took his life. So you've got to know what's going on.
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SPEAKER_01You gave me goosebumps. It's so scary. Winton Hall, is this something that, you know, when we read this book that you wrote, Code Red, what it what are you calling, why are you calling it code red?
SPEAKER_02It's a great question. Um, one, it's a double meaning. It's it's the first part of the double meaning is an alert, an alarm, a siren, a code red to get our attention to really be able to quickly focus us on what we need to know and how fast we need to know it. But the other reason why is it's a double meaning, is we need a code. We need a set of principles, particularly for people on the red side of the political spectrum who are not in those Silicon Valley conversations. 85% of all political donations flow in Silicon Valley to Democrats, not Republicans. So right of center, conservative-leaning people are just not in the rooms where the future is being built. Yes, there are exceptions, Elon Musk, Mark, Mark Andreessen, Peter Thiel, but but most of the mainline uh Silicon Valley big tech elites are far left and have a very specific agenda in mind. And so I go through exposing that in code red. Um, but I just looked out across the the battlescape as somebody who's run, you know, the one of the biggest social media platforms in in America for Breitbart, um, and I realized wow, there's so much that big tech elites are planning our future without our without our permission, without our consent. And we've got to be able to have that information.
SPEAKER_01This has been an incremental creep, um, no pun intended, into our lives. And now we're like, okay, this is now like systemic throughout our lives. And it almost feels like it happened overnight, but it didn't. And that is the insidiousness of it. And I also kind of was like, I was wondering if Code Red was referencing the China aspect of it all.
SPEAKER_02Yes, the China is so important. And this is where the the what's very tri challenging for people is two things can be true at the same time and often are. And it is true that we have these new threats, and at the same time, one of those threats means that we actually have to lean in and win the race against China in AI. Here's why, real quickly. Number one is economics. One-third of the SP 500 is constituted around America's seven big tech companies, sometimes called the Magnificent Seventh. And so it's a tentpole for our economy. We saw what happened when NVIDIA, America's NVIDIA, our richest company that's ever been on planet Earth, uh, was rocked in the biggest one-day market cap lost,$600 billion when China released its AI model, Deep Seek R1. So it's a tug award, number one, for economics. Whoever wins that wins an enormous amount of economic wealth. Number two, though, way more important, I think, because it involves human lives and our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and special forces, is we have to understand this. Whoever gains dominance in AI first is going to have full spectrum dominance on the battlefield and things like encryption, hacking of missile systems, hacking of infrastructure, cybersecurity, the whole gamut. And so when we say we've got to beat China. When President Trump says that, that's what he's talking about. He's not saying we want to emulate China. I mean, none of us want to live in a techno-authoritarian surveillance state, TCP communist, you know, surveillance state. What we have to do, though, is understand whoever gets there first is going to have the whole the whole key to the to the kingdom, metaphorically. So that's that's why I say in in Code Red, we want to beat China without becoming China.
SPEAKER_01There you go. That's that's going to be the the most difficult line to walk through. Um and it's all new for so many of us, and we don't realize the power of it. It's really it's really scary, actually. Even uh, you know, like the whole concept of you know the race to control AI, it's who who do you put in control of that? Because I I mean like the the problem is is it's so ingrained in our eyeballs and in our brains that it really can change the I mean look at what just TV and internet and social media has done. AI is like a whole nother level. It's like all of it combined, and it's so powerful. Um, it's scary, actually. Winton, uh, is your book available everywhere at this point?
SPEAKER_02It is. I'm so grateful that uh it, you know, so we released it and it became this sort of runaway uh New York Times bestseller on the first week. So that just means that it's everywhere. Uh Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Books of Millions. Is this your first? I always like to sub- Um so I've written 27 books. Um so this is my my first under my name. I'm a I'm a ghostwriter, so I've written with some of the biggest celebrities and leaders and world leaders, but I don't I I have not done it under my name, so this is my first with my name on the cover. But yes, I've written 27 books, eight New York Times bestsellers. This is uh the first one, though, with my name on the cover.
SPEAKER_01Wow, what an honor to speak with you. That is incredible. It's so cool. No, really, that is uh really congratulations, yeah. Congratulations for sure. That is so awesome.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for the help with mine, too, now that you outed me.
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SPEAKER_00That's right.
SPEAKER_01Winton Hall, thank you so much. I appreciate it. We'll follow you on Breitbart.com and check out your book. Um, and it's Winton with a Y. W Y N T O N. Thank you so much. We appreciate your time.
SPEAKER_02Great to be with you, Liz. Thank you guys so much.